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Suicide in a congregation is one of the most heart-wrenching and intimidating challenges that a pastor can face. In this interview, Mike speaks with Drs Scott Gibson and Karen Mason about the holistic approaches that preachers and churches can implement to make our communities centers of hope and life in the face of the darkness of suicide. In this wide-ranging interview they speak about church culture shaping, honour and shame, the unforgivable sin, depression in the Bible, pastoral suicide and even more.