Dr. Gavin Ortlund is a prolific author and apologist as well as a faithful husband, father and pastor. In this conversation Mike speaks with Gavin about the role that theological triage plays in church leadership (and particularly the pulpit) as well as the importance of highlighting application points in a sermon. Gavin gives some very practical advice on how to apply God’s truth to different kinds of church members, and even unbelievers! We hope that this conversation spurs you on in your personal study and public proclamation of God’s Word.